Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Maternal and Paternal line rule


The question of who is White and who is not White in regards to predominately White people with some non-White ancestry rages on. People’s opinions on this topic can range from very liberal to a one drop rule going back 10 generations. I have crystallized a method of determining who is White and who is not White. This method is liberal, yet at the same time very strict. Here are the details.

If you're 3/4 White, 1/4 non-white (Indian, Arab, north Asian or high cast East Indian) you LOOK White, and it's your father's mother or mother's father who is the non-white grandparent, thus having both a White mtDNA and or White Y-haplogroup, you're either mixed or given grace and loosely defined as White.

If you're 3/4 White, 1/4 non-White and a female who's mother's mother is non-White, thus a non-White mtDNA haplogroup, you're NOT White

If you're 3/4 White, 1/4 non-White and a male who's father's father is non-white, thus a non-White Y-haplogroup, you're NOT White.

If you're 3/4 White, 1/4 non-White and a male who's mother's mother is non-white, or a female who's father's father is non-white, you’re mixed as opposed to out and out non-White. Reason why is that a male will not pass on their mtDNA and a female does not have a Y-haplogroup.

If you're 1/8th non-white, and 7/8th White, in most cases you're White. The exceptions to this would be a male whose great grandfather along the direct paternal line was non-white, or a female whose great grandmother along the direct maternal line was non-white. In fact a female who is 1/16th, 1/32nd or 1/64th non-White along the direct maternal line may still be considered mixed because of the non-White mtDNA haplogroup. However, their male children would be considered White assuming their spouse is White. The same principle applies to males who are 1/16th, 1/32nd or 1/64 non-White along the direct paternal line. They also may be considered mixed because of their non-White Y-haplogroup. However, their female children would be considered White assuming their spouse is White.

The rules set fourth for 1/4 and 1/8th non-white people, in many cases, do NOT apply if the non-white ancestor is Black. The Black genome is so radically different from the White genome. Such a distinction must be made.


Why the Emphasis on Maternal and Paternal lines?

The reason I put emphasis on direct maternal and paternal lines is because of mt DNA and Y chromosomes. A person's mt DNA is only passed from mother to child. Y chromosomes are only passed from father to child. Women can only pass on their mt DNA. Men can only pass on their Y chromosome. Y chromosomes and mt DNA are carried on for countless generations.

When examining one’s ancestry, you got to keep in mind the numbers of ancestors you have when you go back generations. Three generations back you have 8 ancestors. Easy to trace and account for all eight ancestors. Five generations back you have 32 ancestors. Not quit as easy to account for all 32 ancestors, although not impossible. When you go 6, 7, 8 or 9 generations back, you find 64, 128, 256 and 512 ancestors respectively. It would be very tough to account for all 64 ancestors going back just 6 generations. Trying to account for all 128, 256 and 512 ancestors would be nearly impossible.

HOWEVER, thanks to mt DNA and Y DNA haplogroups, you can trace your ancestry along direct maternal and paternal lines going back countless generations indefinitely. This makes a person’s ancestry along maternal and paternal lines most important with the direct paternal line being especially important to males and the direct maternal line being especially important to females.

I prefer that mt DNA and Y haplogroups are consistent with the race that the individual appears to be.


Where do Bi-racial people stand in the equation?

If you're a 1/2 White, 1/2 non-white, and a male with a non-white mother and a White father, thus a White Y-haplogroup, you're mixed.

If you're a 1/2 White, 1/2 non-white, and a male with a non-white father and a White mother, thus a non-White Y-haplogroup, you're completely NON-WHITE.

If you're a 1/2 White, 1/2 non-white, and a female with a non-white father and a White mother, thus a White mtDNA haplogroup, you're mixed.

If you're a 1/2 White, 1/2 non-white, and a female with a non-white mother and a White father, thus a non-White mtDNA haplogroup, you're completely NON-WHITE.


Why the distinction between mixed and non-White Biracial people?

I’ll use two hypothetical, fictitious and very similar examples to demonstrate why this is important.

Let’s say in 1908, there were two half Indian/ half White baby girls born named Mary and Jane. The only real difference between Mary and Jane is that Mary had a White father and an Indian mother, whereas Jane had a White mother and Indian father. Let’s say both Mary and Jane married White men and had quarter breed daughters. Then both quarter breed daughters had daughters, then grand daughters, then great grand daughters. Each generation, these women mate with White men.

Let’s speed ahead to 2008 were we have two 20 year old women named Emily and Lisa. Now Emily’s great, great grandmother was Jane, the woman with a White mother and Indian father. And Lisa’s great, great grandmother was Mary, the woman with a White father and Indian mother. Both Emily and Lisa look White with no visible traces of non-White ancestry. Both Emily and Lisa have the same small amount of non-White ancestry. There is just one major difference between Emily and Lisa. Emily goes for a genetic test and has a White mt DNA haplogroup H, consistent to how White she looks. White, European mt DNA that she will pass on to her children. At the same time, Lisa goes for a genetic test and has an alien, non-White mt DNA haplogroup B, that does not reflect at all how White she looks. Non-White mt DNA that she will pass on to her children, regardless of how White her husband may be.

Again, Let’s say in 1908, there were two half Asian, half White baby boys born named Bob and Joe. The only real difference between Bob and Joe is that Bob had a White father and an Asian mother, whereas Joe had a White mother and Asian father. Let’s say both Bob and Joe married White women and had quarter breed sons. Then both quarter breed sons had sons then grandsons then great grandsons. Each generation, these men mate with White women.

Let’s speed ahead to 2008 were we have two 20 year old men named Dean and Tyler. Now Tyler's’s great, great grandfather was Bob, the man with a White father and Asian mother. And Dean's’s great, great grandfather was Joe, the man with a White mother and Asian father. Both Tyler and Dean look White with no visible traces of non-White ancestry. Both Tyler and Dean have the same small amount of non-White ancestry. In this case, there are 2 major differences between Tyler and Dean. Tyler goes for a genetic test and has a White Y-haplogroup R1b, consistent to how White he looks. A White, European Y-chromosome that he will pass on to his sons. Tyler also has a White sounding surname. At the same time, Dean goes for a genetic test and has an alien, non-White Y-haplogroup C and a non-White surname of Chong that does not reflect at all how White he looks. Non-White surname that he will pass on to her children and a non-White Y-haplogroup he will pass on to his sons, regardless of how White his wife may be.


Looking back 100 years, the fact that Jane had a White mother, Mary had an Indian mother, Bob had a White father and Joe had an Asian father made a big difference. This is why I make a distinction between biracial females with a White mother compared to biracial females with a non-White mother and make a distinction between Biracial males with a White father compared with biracial males with a non-White father. This is why I say that Jane and Bob were mixed, whereas Mary and Joe were straight out NON-White.



If a Black American male has a White Y haplogroup, does this make them any less Black?

Yes, it does make them less Black. I'll explain how.
Let's say for example you have 2 afro American men, Joe and Leroy.
Both are 80% Black and 20% White.
Both are married to White women with mulatto offspring.
The only real difference is that Joe's Y haplogroup is Rb1a1a, were as Leroy's Y haplogroup is E1b1a. This means that Joe's mulatto offspring have both a European Y haplogroup and mtDNA. Were as Leroy's mulatto offspring have a European mtDNA, but an African Y haplogroup.

Joe's mulatto offspring are by NO means even close to being White. However, with each generation, the African autosomal DNA can be cut in half. Within 4 to 5 generations, the African autosomal DNA would be minimal, with European Y and mtDNA haplogroups.

On the other hand, Leroy's mulatto offspring will have the African Y haplogroup that could be pass down indefinitely to future generations as long as the sons keep having sons.

This makes Joe (Rb1a1a) less objectionable or the lesser of 2 evils in terms of assimilation, than Leroy (E1b1a) So Joe, who's Y haplogroup is Rb1a1a is indeed less Black that Leroy who's Y haplogroup is E1b1a.



Why so Liberal?

A common view in the White Nationalist community regarding the question of "who is White?" is the 1/16th rule. Given the large percentage of 1/4 and 1/8th non-whites that we have today, is the 1/16th rule reasonable under these conditions? This would exclude a lot of people who look White, who pose little or no threat to the race, and are ingrained in our society. It just makes more sense to include as many people as we can within reason. This maternal, paternal line rule is more of a salvage mechanism as opposed to a hard and fast definition of White that you could carve in stone. It is a way for the White race to make the best out of a bad situation.

Besides, I’m only being liberal in regards to ancestry that is NOT along either direct maternal or paternal lines. When it concerns a woman’s direct maternal line or a man’s direct paternal line, I’m as strict as any hard line purist.


My own ancestry and other like me

As for my own ancestry, I am 1.2% Native American on 1 DNA test and 1% European Jewish on another DNA test. These miniscule amounts of non-White ancestry is non issue to any reasonable person. Only a purity spiraling fanatic would have a problem with this. I have thick skin in this regard. I would easily brush off any person calling me a Mestizo or a Jew. Other people are not as thick skinned as me. As a result, they may opt out of fighting for White interests because some pro-Whites don't include them as White. This is a problem, especially with the growing Hispanic population in the USA. Many of whom are 75 to 95% European, thus White enough by my standards, but not White enough for the purists. Right now, people resisting White genocide need all the help we can get. If a mostly White Hispanic or White looking Jew want to help, is makes no sense to insult them for the sake of some pie in the sky purity standard.


Conclusion

At any rate, this rule strikes a perfect balance between upholding the integrity of the White race, while at the same time being fair to those predominately White people who may have some non-White ancestry.

5 comments:

I Know Things said...

ok, so I am a White woman, my mother was White, as her dad was Cajun French, her mother was Texan British.
my Father is White and his mother is pure Cajun French, but his father(R.I.P) may have been a small percentage indo-american, with Cajun French.
I'm 'dirty' blonde, my mother has brunette hair, my father has Blonde hair. my father's mother had Blond hair (it's white now, she's 87) and my sister is blonde.
(there is a question as to whether or not she is my full sister or if we have different O+ blond dads)
my moms eyes are brown, my dad's eyes are blue/green. both my sis and my eyes are Hazel. a ring of gold around the pupil, and blue/green surrounding it.
I think my sis and I are fine examples of the White Race.

Michael said...
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Michael said...

question: I am of European descent (Sicilian, Russian, Polish, German, and Spanish) and Dominican as well. what does that make me? please respond back.

Aryan woman14 said...

I really like what you wrote, as many people who think they are white are actually not white. I have done research into the genetics of white and where they originated from, which was finnland. And i am glad that there is this information for people who might not know if they are really white.

Jack said...

question: I am of European descent (Sicilian, Russian, Polish, German, and Spanish) and Dominican as well. what does that make me? please respond back.

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Micheal
Dominican is a nationality as opposed to as race. If you are of European descent (Sicilian, Russian, Polish, German, and Spanish) then you are indeed White, regardless of what passport you might hold.